Screaming in the Cloud

• “Just in Case” vs. “Just in Time” with Aditya Bhargava

  How you learn is important. Corey Quinn is joined by Aditya Bhargava, a Staff Software Engineer at Etsy and the author of Grokking Algorithms. They talk about the nuances of technical learning and the contrasting philosophies of "just in time" versus "just in case" learning. In this episode, Aditya emphasizes the importance of effective teaching methods and the value of incorporating fun things like drawings into technical explanations. This approach also bleeds into his illustrated Substack, DuckTypes. As Corey and Aditya discuss, a good, informative book doesn’t need to drag on, and this quick, insightful, 30-minute conversation is no different.Show Highlights(0:00) Intro(1:24) The Duckbill Group sponsor read(1:58) Corey's admiration for Aditya's writing(5:40) How Aditya clearly explains AWS networking(8:06) “Just in case” vs. “just in time”(10:15) Why business books don't need to be hundreds of pages long(14:19) Reading for pleasure vs. reading for work(16:57) The Duckbill Group sponsor read(17:24) Explaining Aditya's book on algorithms(20:07) The great editor behind Aditya's book(22:20) DuckTyped and how Aditya got into AWS networking(25:16) Where networking folks fall in the era of the cloud(28:12) The importance of staying up-to-date in your field(31:46) Where you can find more from AdityaAbout Aditya BhargavaAditya Bhargava is a Software Engineer with a dual background in Computer Science and Fine Arts. He blogs on programming at adit.io.LinksAditya’s blog: https://www.adit.io/Grokking Algorithms, Second Edition: https://www.manning.com/books/grokking-algorithms-second-editionDuckTyped: https://www.ducktyped.org/Last Skeet in AWS: https://lastskeetinaws.com/SponsorThe Duckbill Group: duckbillgroup.com 

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• The Current State of Cloud Security with Crystal Morin

  Sysdig’s 2025 Cloud-Native and Security Usage Report is hot off the presses, and Corey has questions. On this episode, he’s joined by Crystal Morin, a Cybersecurity Strategist at Sysdig, to break down the trends of the past year. They discuss Sysdig’s approach to detecting and responding to security and the success the company has seen with the rollout of Sysdig Sage (an AI product that Corey thinks is actually useful). They also chat about what’s driving a spike in machine identities, practical hygiene in cloud environments, and the crucial importance of automated responses to maintain robust security in the face of increasingly sophisticated cyber threats.Show Highlights(0:00) Intro(0:39) Sysdig sponsor read(2:22) Explaining Sysdig's 5/5/5 Benchmark(4:06) What does Sysdig's work entail?(10:03) Cloud security trends that have changed over the last year(14:30) Sysdig sponsor read(15:16) How Sysdig is using AI in its security products(19:09) How many users are adopting AI tools like Sysdig Sage(25:51) The reality behind the recent spike of machine identities in security(29:24) Handling the scaling of machine identities(35:37) Where you can find Sysdig's 2025 Cloud-Native and Security Usage ReportAbout Crystal MorinCrystal Morin is a Cybersecurity Strategist with more than 10 years of experience in threat analysis and research. Crystal started her career as both a Cryptologic Language Analyst and Intelligence Analyst in the United States Air Force and as a contractor for Booz Allen Hamilton, where she helped develop and evolve their cyber threat intelligence community and threat-hunting capabilities. In 2022, Crystal joined Sysdig as a Threat Research Engineer on the Sysdig Threat Research Team, where she worked to discover and analyze cyber threat actors taking advantage of the cloud. Today, Crystal bridges the gap between business and security through cloud-focused content for leaders and practitioners alike. Crystal’s thought leadership has been foundational for pieces such as the “2024 Cloud-Native Security and Usage Report” and “Cloud vs. On-Premises: Unraveling the Mystery of the Dwell Time Disparity,” among others.LinksSysdig’s 2025 Cloud-Native and Security Usage Report: https://sysdig.com/2025-cloud-native-security-and-usage-report/Sysdig on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sysdig/Crystal’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/crystal-morin/SponsorSysdig: https://sysdig.com/

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• The Difference Between Marketing and BS with Jonathan Cowperthwait

  What’s the difference between marketing and BS? On this episode, Corey Quinn is joined by Jonathan Cowperthwait, Duckbill’s brand-new Head of Marketing. Jonathan's career path is a bit unconventional. After all, not everyone can say their professional journey was influenced by The West Wing. Even though he’s a marketer by trade, Jonathan still has the technical know-how needed to work in the often expensive world of cloud economics. Have you ever wanted to know what The Duckbill Group’s relationship with AWS is really like? How fun is it to sit on domains like “oldmanstartup?” Is there a similarity between clouds and butts? This interview is the inside scoop on The Duckbill Group that you never knew you needed. Show Highlights(0:00) Intro(1:11) Duckbill Group sponsor read(1:45) Acquiring the Duckbill Group office post-pandemic(2:52) Keeping your pants on during a pandemic so you can officiate your nanny's wedding(6:07) Jonathan's background prior to joining The Duckbill Group(11:29) What Duckbill was looking for when they hired Jonathan(14:54) When marketing begins to feel like spam(15:40) The fun of having disposable domains and email addresses(18:20) The importance of a good name for a product(19:38) Duckbill Group sponsor read(20:07) The Duckbill Group isn't just Corey Quinn(21:03) The "Cloud to Butt" extension(24:01) Corey's beef with Google's AI search engine(24:57) What can people expect from the Duckbill Group's new marketing effort(30:58) Where you can find more from JonathanAbout Jonathan CowperthwaitJonathan Cowperthwait does positioning, messaging, and go-to-market strategy to maximize awareness and revenue for technology brands of all sizes.He prides himself on being a slow runner, fast talker, and good writer.LinksJonathan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cowperthwait/Jonathan on Bluesky: https://web-cdn.bsky.app/profile/cowp.coEmail Jonathan: [email protected] Corey: [email protected] Duckbill Group: duckbillgroup.com 

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• Kicking Off a Tech Career as a Preteen with Alex Zenla

  What were you doing at the age of 12? We’d wager to bet you weren’t getting invited to Google I/O. On this episode, Corey chats with Alex Zenla, the founder and CTO of Edera. Only in her mid-20s, Alex already has more than a decade’s worth of professional experience working in the tech industry. They discuss how Alex found her way into programming at a young age, her experiences with open source projects like the Dart Project and Chromium OS, and getting contacted by Google’s lawyers as a preteen. You’ll also get to learn about Alex’s company, Edera, and their creative approaches to Kubernetes container security using Xen hypervisors. Did we forget to mention that there are multiple sidebars about Minecraft in this one? So grab your pick axe, put on your headphones, and a Google legal will be at your door by the time we wrap up this conversation.Show Highlights(0:00) Intro(0:54) The Duckbill Group sponsor read(1:28) What is Edera?(2:18) Who is the target customer for Edera's product(7:50) Breaking down the overhead makeup of Edera(10:28) How Edera sidesteps the problems with container isolation(13:20) Alex's history working with tech(15:40) The Duckbill Group sponsor read(16:23) How a phone call with a lawyer helped get Alex to Google I/O at the age of 12(18:55) Starting Alex's proper tech career thanks to a Dart library(21:24) The important role of Minecraft in Alex's life and career(23:40) The value of good networking (28:15) What it's been like for Alex to raise a Series A(29:56) Where you can find more from AlexAbout Alex ZenlaAlex Zenla is a technologist that has 10+ years experience in the full-time corporate world who is rebuilding the foundations of infrastructure to be secure-by-design.Alex grew an interest in computers at the age of 7, learning about hypervisors and hardware technologies. At the age of 11, she was inspired by the concept of Chrome OS to get involved in low level systems, where she contributed to the Chromium and Chromium OS projects. This led to being invited to Google I/O 2012 by the Chrome OS team at just the age of 12. Eventually, the Dart programming language came along, and Alex got deeply involved in the ecosystem, contributing to the language and standard library, and building core open source technologies. At the age of 14, she was hired by an IoT company called DGLogik to build an IoT platform that could scale across complex networks, launching my career in IoT. At DGLogik, Alex became deeply involved in Google's IoT technologies across multiple divisions, ultimately ending up working at Google on their IoT platform for their internal Real Estate. In 2024, she retired from the IoT data sphere and started Edera, a company that is making computing secure-by-design.LinksAlex on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/alex.zenla.ioSponsorThe Duckbill Group: duckbillgroup.com 

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• S3 and the Evolution of Storage with Andy Warfield

  Andy Warfield joins Corey in this episode to discuss the evolution of storage technology at Amazon. This includes the evolution of S3 from archival storage to supporting modern AI and analytics. As Vice President and Distinguished Engineer at AWS, Andy is able to explain performance-enhancing innovations like S3 Tables and Common Runtime (CRT). On the other hand, challenges like compaction and namespace structuring are discussed. Reflecting on his journey from working on the Xen hypervisor to AWS, Andy shares insights into scaling S3, including buckets spanning millions of hard disks. Show Highlights(0:00) Intro(1:09) The Duckbill Group sponsor read(1:43) Andy’s background(3:38) How AWS envisioned services being used vs. what customers actually do with them(6:54) The frustration of legacy applications not keeping up with the times(10:14) Why S3 is so accurate(15:29) S3 as a role model for how a service should be run(18:04) The Duckbill Group sponsor read(18:46) Why AWS made Iceberg into a native offering(23:50) Why S3 Tables is slightly more expensive(28:23) How Andy handled the transition from Zen to Nitro(32:22) What Andy is currently excited about About Andy WarfieldAndrew Warfield is a VP / Distinguished Engineer at Amazon. As a senior technical leader at one of the world's largest technology companies, he plays a crucial role in shaping Amazon's engineering strategies and initiatives. LinksLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andywarfield/ Email: [email protected] SponsorThe Duckbill Group: duckbillgroup.com 

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