Data Engineering Podcast

SummaryIn this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast, Anna Geller talks about the integration of code and UI-driven interfaces for data orchestration. Anna defines data orchestration as automating the coordination of workflow nodes that interact with data across various business functions, discussing how it goes beyond ETL and analytics to enable real-time data processing across different internal systems. She explores the challenges of using existing scheduling tools for data-specific workflows, highlighting limitations and anti-patterns, and discusses Kestra's solution, a low-code orchestration platform that combines code-driven flexibility with UI-driven simplicity. Anna delves into Kestra's architectural design, API-first approach, and pluggable infrastructure, and shares insights on balancing UI and code-driven workflows, the challenges of open-core business models, and innovative user applications of Kestra's platform.AnnouncementsHello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.As a listener of the Data Engineering Podcast you clearly care about data and how it affects your organization and the world. For even more perspective on the ways that data impacts everything around us you should listen to Data Citizens® Dialogues, the forward-thinking podcast from the folks at Collibra. You'll get further insights from industry leaders, innovators, and executives in the world's largest companies on the topics that are top of mind for everyone. They address questions around AI governance, data sharing, and working at global scale. In particular I appreciate the ability to hear about the challenges that enterprise scale businesses are tackling in this fast-moving field. While data is shaping our world, Data Citizens Dialogues is shaping the conversation. Subscribe to Data Citizens Dialogues on Apple, Spotify, Youtube, or wherever you get your podcasts.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Anna Geller about incorporating both code and UI driven interfaces for data orchestrationInterviewIntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you start by sharing a definition of what constitutes "data orchestration"?There are many orchestration and scheduling systems that exist in other contexts (e.g. CI/CD systems, Kubernetes, etc.). Those are often adapted to data workflows because they already exist in the organizational context. What are the anti-patterns and limitations that approach introduces in data workflows?What are the problems that exist in the opposite direction of using data orchestrators for CI/CD, etc.?Data orchestrators have been around for decades, with many different generations and opinions about how and by whom they are used. What do you see as the main motivation for UI vs. code-driven workflows?What are the benefits of combining code-driven and UI-driven capabilities in a single orchestrator?What constraints does it necessitate to allow for interoperability between those modalities?Data Orchestrators need to integrate with many external systems. How does Kestra approach building integrations and ensure governance for all their underlying configurations?Managing workflows at scale across teams can be challenging in terms of providing structure and visibility of dependencies across workflows and teams. What features does Kestra offer so that all pipelines and teams stay organised?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Kestra used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on Kestra?When is Kestra the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of Kestra?Contact InfoLinkedInBlogParting QuestionFrom your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing AnnouncementsThank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.__init__ covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.LinksKestraCI/CDState MachineAWS LambdaGitHub ActionsECS FargateAirflowKafkaElasticsearchAirflow XComThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SAIn this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast, host Tobias Macy interviews Anna Geller, a data engineer turned product manager, about the integration of code and UI-driven interfaces for data orchestration. Anna shares her journey from working with data during an internship at KPMG to her current role as a product lead at Kestra. She provides her insights into the concept of data orchestration, emphasizing its broader scope beyond just ETL and analytics, and discusses the challenges and anti-patterns that arise when using existing scheduling systems for data-specific workflows.Anna explains the overlap between CI/CD, scheduling, and orchestration tools, and the limitations that occur when these tools are used for data workflows. She highlights the importance of visibility and governance at scale and the need for a dedicated orchestrator like Kestra. The conversation also delves into the challenges of using data orchestrators for non-data workflows and the benefits of combining code and UI-driven approaches.Anna discusses Kestra's architecture, which supports both JDBC and Kafka backends, and its focus on API-first interactions. She explains how Kestra handles task granularity, inputs, and outputs, and the flexibility provided by its plugin system. The episode also explores Kestra's approach to data as assets, the target audience for Kestra, and how it bridges different workflows across organizational boundaries.The discussion touches on Kestra's open-core model, the challenges of balancing open-source and enterprise features, and the innovative ways Kestra is being applied. Anna shares insights into Kestra's local development experience, the lessons learned in building the product, and the upcoming features and projects that Kestra is excited to explore.

In this episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with Ken Pickering, VP of Engineering at Going, about the intricacies of streaming data into a Trino and Iceberg lakehouse. Ken shared his journey from product engineering to becoming deeply involved in data-centric roles, highlighting his experiences in ecommerce and InsurTech. At Going, Ken leads the data platform team, focusing on finding travel deals for consumers, a task that involves handling massive volumes of flight data and event stream information.Ken explained the dual approach of passive and active search strategies used by Going to manage the vast data landscape. Passive search involves aggregating data from global distribution systems, while active search is more transactional, querying specific flight prices. This approach helps Going sift through approximately 50 petabytes of data annually to identify the best travel deals.We delved into the technical architecture supporting these operations, including the use of Confluent for data streaming, Starburst Galaxy for transformation, and Databricks for modeling. Ken emphasized the importance of an open lakehouse architecture, which allows for flexibility and scalability as the business grows.Ken also discussed the composition of Going's engineering and data teams, highlighting the collaborative nature of their work and the reliance on vendor tooling to streamline operations. He shared insights into the challenges and strategies of managing data life cycles, ensuring data quality, and maintaining uptime for consumer-facing applications.Throughout our conversation, Ken provided a glimpse into the future of Going's data architecture, including potential expansions into other travel modes and the integration of large language models for enhanced customer interaction. This episode offers a comprehensive look at the complexities and innovations in building a data-driven travel advisory service.

SummaryThe challenges of integrating all of the tools in the modern data stack has led to a new generation of tools that focus on a fully integrated workflow. At the same time, there have been many approaches to how much of the workflow is driven by code vs. not. Burak Karakan is of the opinion that a fully integrated workflow that is driven entirely by code offers a beneficial and productive means of generating useful analytical outcomes. In this episode he shares how Bruin builds on those opinions and how you can use it to build your own analytics without having to cobble together a suite of tools with conflicting abstractions.AnnouncementsHello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementImagine catching data issues before they snowball into bigger problems. That’s what Datafold’s new Monitors do. With automatic monitoring for cross-database data diffs, schema changes, key metrics, and custom data tests, you can catch discrepancies and anomalies in real time, right at the source. Whether it’s maintaining data integrity or preventing costly mistakes, Datafold Monitors give you the visibility and control you need to keep your entire data stack running smoothly. Want to stop issues before they hit production? Learn more at dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today!Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Burak Karakan about the benefits of building code-only data systemsInterviewIntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you describe what Bruin is and the story behind it?Who is your target audience?There are numerous tools that address the ETL workflow for analytical data. What are the pain points that you are focused on for your target users?How does a code-only approach to data pipelines help in addressing the pain points of analytical workflows?How might it act as a limiting factor for organizational involvement?Can you describe how Bruin is designed?How have the design and scope of Bruin evolved since you first started working on it?You call out the ability to mix SQL and Python for transformation pipelines. What are the components that allow for that functionality?What are some of the ways that the combination of Python and SQL improves ergonomics of transformation workflows?What are the key features of Bruin that help to streamline the efforts of organizations building analytical systems?Can you describe the workflow of someone going from source data to warehouse and dashboard using Bruin and Ingestr?What are the opportunities for contributions to Bruin and Ingestr to expand their capabilities?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Bruin and Ingestr used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on Bruin?When is Bruin the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of Bruin?Contact InfoLinkedInParting QuestionFrom your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing AnnouncementsThank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.__init__ covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.LinksBruinFivetranStitchIngestrBruin CLIMeltanoSQLGlotdbtSQLMeshPodcast EpisodeSDFPodcast EpisodeAirflowDagsterSnowparkAtlanEvidenceThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

SummaryIn this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast, the creators of Feldera talk about their incremental compute engine designed for continuous computation of data, machine learning, and AI workloads. The discussion covers the concept of incremental computation, the origins of Feldera, and its unique ability to handle both streaming and batch data seamlessly. The guests explore Feldera's architecture, applications in real-time machine learning and AI, and challenges in educating users about incremental computation. They also discuss the balance between open-source and enterprise offerings, and the broader implications of incremental computation for the future of data management, predicting a shift towards unified systems that handle both batch and streaming data efficiently.AnnouncementsHello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementImagine catching data issues before they snowball into bigger problems. That’s what Datafold’s new Monitors do. With automatic monitoring for cross-database data diffs, schema changes, key metrics, and custom data tests, you can catch discrepancies and anomalies in real time, right at the source. Whether it’s maintaining data integrity or preventing costly mistakes, Datafold Monitors give you the visibility and control you need to keep your entire data stack running smoothly. Want to stop issues before they hit production? Learn more at dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today!As a listener of the Data Engineering Podcast you clearly care about data and how it affects your organization and the world. For even more perspective on the ways that data impacts everything around us you should listen to Data Citizens® Dialogues, the forward-thinking podcast from the folks at Collibra. You'll get further insights from industry leaders, innovators, and executives in the world's largest companies on the topics that are top of mind for everyone. They address questions around AI governance, data sharing, and working at global scale. In particular I appreciate the ability to hear about the challenges that enterprise scale businesses are tackling in this fast-moving field. While data is shaping our world, Data Citizens Dialogues is shaping the conversation. Subscribe to Data Citizens Dialogues on Apple, Spotify, Youtube, or wherever you get your podcasts.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Leonid Ryzhyk, Lalith Suresh, and Mihai Budiu about Feldera, an incremental compute engine for continous computation of data, ML, and AI workloadsInterviewIntroductionCan you describe what Feldera is and the story behind it?DBSP (the theory behind Feldera) has won multiple awards from the database research community. Can you explain what it is and how it solves the incremental computation problem?Depending on which angle you look at it, Feldera has attributes of data warehouses, federated query engines, and stream processors. What are the unique use cases that Feldera is designed to address?In what situations would you replace another technology with Feldera?When is it an additive technology?Can you describe the architecture of Feldera?How have the design and scope evolved since you first started working on it?What are the state storage interfaces available in Feldera?What are the opportunities for integrating with or building on top of open table formats like Iceberg, Lance, Hudi, etc.?Can you describe a typical workflow for an engineer building with Feldera?You advertise Feldera's utility in ML and AI use cases in addition to data management. What are the features that make it conducive to those applications?What is your philosophy toward the community growth and engagement with the open source aspects of Feldera and how you're balancing that with sustainability of the project and business?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Feldera used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on Feldera?When is Feldera the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of Feldera?Contact InfoLeonidWebsiteGitHubLinkedInLalithLinkedInWebsiteMihaiWebsiteGitHubParting QuestionFrom your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing AnnouncementsThank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.__init__ covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.LinksFelderaGitHubDBSP paperRust CrateDifferential DataflowTrinoFlinkSparkMaterializeClickhousePodcast EpisodeDuckDBPodcast EpisodeSnowflakeArrowSubstraitDataFusionDSP == Digital Signal ProcessingCDC == Change Data CapturePRQLLSM (Log-Structured Merge) TreeIcebergPodcast EpisodeDelta LakePodcast EpisodeOpen VSwitchFeature EngineeringCalciteThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA